Hi,
This is my first post. You guys may like it.
Nestle baby formula
NAN HA GOLD 1 & NAN HA GOLD 2 : TWIN PACK IS ONLY $20 at Coles,Heritage Springs, Pakenham [individual price is 22.50 $]
They have few in stock.
I forgot my mobile in my car otherwise I could provide photo as well.
Us too and all they offered us was a $50 gift card after my daughter was hospitalised with severe dehydration from constant diarrhea
The hospital where I just had my second baby have also switched from nan to karicare due to the recall
Stay aware they can't give away the stuff now we used to pay $25-$30 a tin
Our baby would have constipation after nan. We switched to Karicare a long time ago and I have only just found out about the recall through this 'deal'. I'm glad to know we weren't wrong in our assumptions when the hospital told us it was normal.
Being first time parents (and receiving so much mis-information), we researched a lot of things that didn't seem quite right! Like you, we'd been told that everything was perfectly normal! NO, IT WASN'T. No baby should smell like that or have that type of stool.
We owe a lot to the lady that originally started the Facebook campaign against Nestle!!!
One store only?
Not sure. U may ask your local store for price match if they have it in stock
The WHO state that the discounting or promotion of breastmilk substitutes is against its international guidelines. Coles is in breach of this and I would think that this post is as well.
Can I please point out a word in your comment… 'guidelines'!
It's not illegal in Australia, nor is it even unethical in my opinion! And Coles is not in breach of anything!!!
As you’ll see from mine/our comments, most aren’t exactly keen on this brand, but no one should be allowed to ban or stop the promotion of this type of product!!!
What's your suggestion, that we financially punish those that have to purchase this type of product? Maybe put it in blank tins with pictures of diseased and or dying babies like cigarette packets?
And good on you for obviously being able to breastfeed, Not all women get that privilege or opportunity. My wife would love to have continued on, but it wasn’t to be!!!
And this code you're talking about was introduced back in 1981!!! Do you not think we are much more aware of the contents and nutritional information of these products more than 30 years later? This is the exact reason why this particular product was recalled last year. Because WE demanded it!!!
Ps. Nice sign up & first post today!!!
Wow, you seem a bit worked up over my statement.
Can I set you straight on several things?
-Yes, these are guidelines, but they are upheld by the Australian government and should not be breached. The guidelines were put in place internationally and have been adopted by a great many countries. They are primarily to prevent the undermining of breastfeeding and to make sure formula is prepared and used correctly. They are regularly reviewed and certainly not outdated.
-Formula brands differ slightly from each other, but not much. If a health professional recommends a brand (which they should not do) it is because they have been visited by the sales rep of that brand and given some freebies. Breast milk is a living substance and new things are still being discovered about it. No formula brand can replicate it no matter what their ads tell you. If there was a recall maybe it was a bad batch.
- Formula has its place and has saved the lives of many babies when used correctly. Your cigarette analogy is ridiculous, although unfortunately formula-fed babies in areas of poor water and sanitation are often diseased and dying as a result.
- I'm sorry that your wife could not continue her breastfeeding. I don't know the circumstances, but there are many places that offer help with breastfeeding should she ever need it in the future. They can make an incredible difference.
- Yes I did sign up today so I could post my above comment, although I've followed Ozbargain for a long time and love it. In my opinion, the WHO guidelines are right. Formula should not be advertised, everyone knows it's there if they need it. Advertising changes minds and makes money for the formula companies at the expense of breastfeeding. If it wasn't done, more people would breastfeed and there is no question that breastfeeding is better for the child. There's little or no money to advertise breastfeeding and compete with the formula companies, which is why the WHO came up with the guidelines.
I hope that helps you understand my first comment.
Yes your comments got me worked up, because you’re pushing an issue which is completely the individual Mother’s choice (and I should say Parent's here, because I did have some say, or at least an opinion, in the path we chose for our boy)! These are repressive actions for which I would think as a breastfeeding Mother, you would be completely against! Everyone knows there’s enough issues there as it is!
Mothers (Parents) will generally make a decision based on information they receive from elders, friends, Mothers groups, etc. and their individual experiences and circumstances.
And, I agree, I don’t think it’s in the best interests if doctor’s, etc. promote it ‘at their practice’ where you’re a paying client. But outside of this time… let’s be honest here, it happens with every single other brand or product worldwide. Why should formula be any different? Do you buy your perfume because Brittany Spears promoted it, underwear because of Elle McPherson, or multi vitamins because of De Castella?
Yes, the cigarette analogy is ridiculous, but you’re saying that like cigarettes, it shouldn’t be promoted, advertised, or even reduced in price, which further penalises parent’s who already have the extra financial burden!
Yes, there is help out there, but the reason most parents use formula obviously outweighs the alternatives and/or can not be helped. As for my wife’s individual circumstances, that’s irrelevant to the overall issue you’ve presented.
I really don't understand why you think that it's a competition between breastfeeding and formula? Yes, they’re making money, but these companies aren’t making money at the expense of breastfeeding, they’ve given women an opportunity to break free from the shackles and repression of the 50s sitting at home playing ‘the good wife’! Women aren’t scorned at or made to feel inadequate anymore if they can’t breastfeed. It’s given women the freedom to travel and the opportunity to pursue a career or help ease the financial burden that used to fall solely on the Father. And I can’t begin to imagine how much the existence of formula must help single Mothers out!
In summary, I’m happy that your pro-breastfeeding, but why persecute those that aren’t? Surely you could use the ally in the pursuit to make breastfeeding in public more acceptable!
Thank you for your explanation, but I still disagree that formula should be promoted or advertised. While breastfeeding is slowly becoming more acceptable (including in public), society still has a very long way to go. Requests from some businesses, restaurants or shops that women breastfeed in toilets, rather than in the open, is an example of this.
I believe that every parent has the right to make an informed choice about how they feed their baby (complicating medical issues aside) and advertising skews this information. Realistically, many parents do not delve into the research and just believe the ads, as do their parents and friends who often also influence their feeding decision. I am not including you here as you are obviously well informed on this issue. Formula companies are very good at 'blinding people with science' and convincing them that formula must be as good as breastmilk because it contains this, that or the other compound. Employers also see the ads and, possibly as a direct result, often do not make allowances for breastfeeding mothers at work. Breastfeeding is undermined and unsupported by many aspects of society. Women who want to breastfeed should be given every opportunity to do so and help and support should be readily available. Women can work, travel, party and still breastfeed if they choose to do so. There is certainly no need for breastfeeding mothers to sit at home 50s style.
I fully support a parent's choice on how they feed their baby. Formula has its place and does suit some lifestyles better than breastfeeding. However, I do struggle when that feeding choice is based on misinformation from advertising. I would never persecute anyone for their feeding choice and my previous comments did nothing of the sort. I just quietly and politely pointed out the guidelines.
Also, just for interest, if you watch formula ads carefully, you will see that they always mention 'moving on from breastfeeding' and never show newborn babies. This is because of the WHO guidelines. Companies cannot advertise formula for babies aged less than 6 months and they need to state support for breastfeeding. They use their 'toddler milk' to advertise formula in such a way that viewers get the message about their wonderful formula regardless of the age of their own baby. Women who have problems or questions breastfeeding often switch to formula before obtaining breastfeeding support because the ads tell them it's ok. That situation is not ok. The ads and promotions are undermining breastfeeding whichever way you look at them. Also, as for the financial aspect, formula is a specialised food used to keep babies alive. If parents choose to use it, they should be prepared to pay for it. In the rare case of a medical reason for using formula, I would support it being subsidised. Oh yes, and as for the 'toddler milks', don't waste your money. They are 100% an advertising gimmick used to market formula to parents of newborns.
Interesting discussion - thanks and good luck. PS I am a medical research scientist, breastfeeding counsellor and mother.
I think we’re reaching a common ground in that I completely agree with you on the toddler milk!!! Also, I agree that it shouldn’t be promoted as an easy or preferred alternative, and only as a necessitated option.
Likewise, I agree, where possible, Mothers should seek the help of a Health Nurse or Lactation Consultant if there are problems feeding. Although even their opinion can sometimes be clouded!
But, I am all for the discounting in price of the product, so long as quality is not affected, and for the public sharing of said discounts. I also feel it our duty as parents that we should communicate more and share information and/or experiences about products like these, and others that affect the health and well-being of our little ones! The reason I was straight onto this!!!
It’s probably not allowed on here, perhaps a forum topic, but if you have direct knowledge you should consider pointing the people on here to some more informative sites, not just regarding breast milk v formula, but perhaps also what people should be looking for in a formula (if so necessary).
It might be alright now, but I can't say I trust this brand anymore! Look up Nan HA Gold recall!
Atleast we found out why our little guy was having issues last year and changed! Great deal though!