Which car is better? Toyota HiAce or Hyundai iLoad

Smerch on 25/05/2013 - 15:22
Last edited 29/05/2013 - 17:38

Good Day!
I am still deciding if I want to be a delivery driver so please help me out.
Share your experience on which car is better long term. Would be nice to see a comparison of these 2 cars in terms of fuel consumption, reliability and value depreciation over 2 years
Examples:

  1. Toyota Hiace 3.0 diesel auto Fuel Consumption 8 L / 100 km Max Power 100kW @ 3400 RPM, 241Nm @ 3800 RPM
    Full Specs: http://www.carshowroom.com.au/newcars/2013/Toyota/Hiace/O051…

  2. Hyundai iLoad 2.5 diesel auto Fuel Consumption 8.8 L / 100 km Max Power 125kW @ 3800 RPM, 441Nm @ 2000 RPM
    Full Specs: http://www.carshowroom.com.au/newcars/2013/Hyundai/iLOAD/O6W…

  3. Any other good van?

This is for something like http://www.mailcall.com.au/drivers.php or http://www.yellowexpress.com.au/careers.aspx

Thank you
All the Best

Automotive

Comments

    • Smerch on 25/05/2013 - 16:45

      What?

      • Gina Rinehart on 29/05/2013 - 02:00
        +3

        I think he said Gatorade is better.

  • No on 25/05/2013 - 16:00
    +1

    I think those Toyota's are $32,990 drive away new so not that one with 160,000km.

    • Smerch on 25/05/2013 - 16:55

      http://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/details/toyota-hiace-2012-1…
      Yeah I found this one. I prefer automatic and diesel is more efficient but $35000 + to get to Sydney and in 2 years it will loose one third of its value. Although if I buy 2010 one it will not loose that much in value. I know I need to wait for a better option with less KMs.
      Thank you for pointing this out.

      • No on 25/05/2013 - 17:01

        If you price one up on toyota.com.au it comes up as $32,990 for the petrol. 160,000 km's is a lot.

        • May4th on 25/05/2013 - 19:13
          +1

          not for a van. but yes buy/<100k km if you have the money, resale value is fairly good with toyota workhorses.

          diesel makes a big difference in fuel economy, thousands/year if you drive lots of kms for courier

        • Smerch on 26/05/2013 - 07:28

          Thank you

  • onlyletters on 25/05/2013 - 23:46
    +3

    HIACE any day of the week, regardless of milage. Toyota cars are so reliable its not funny!

    • tonyjzx on 26/05/2013 - 01:55
      +1

      everyone has a hyundai diesel though

      and i mean everyone

      • Smerch on 26/05/2013 - 07:28

        Thank you guys

  • chrisburnett on 26/05/2013 - 09:08
    +1

    Have you considered Renault Trafic? http://www.renault.com.au/cars/traficvan/home

    One of the biggest selling vans in the world and a bargain in Australia for under $30,000 drive away with a 5 year warranty. Great van but they depreciate like nothing else. Buy one near new and save lots.

    • Smerch on 26/05/2013 - 14:01

      Yeah looks like a good van too but what do you know about a price of servicing it? I know that Mercedes vans are very expensive when it comes to repair it.

  • BartholemewH on 26/05/2013 - 17:37
    +1

    Our drivers at work generally use MB 515 XLWB 5 tonne vans. We wanted something smaller so bought a long wheelbase hiace diesel. To be honest it used as much fuel as the big Mercs (and vw's and ivecos) even on the highway carrying half as much. In short we sold the hiace in less than 12 months due to fuel consumption. Maybe the iLoads are better, never had one.

    • Smerch on 26/05/2013 - 19:03

      Thanks mate. Would be nice to see a comparison of these 3 cars in terms of fuel consumption, reliability and value depreciation over 2 years.
      1. Toyota Hiace 3.0 diesel auto
      2. Hyundai iLoad 2.5 diesel auto
      3. Reno Traffic 2.0 diesel auto
      Kinda strange that Toyota looking smaller but having bigger engine although I am not sure about power(kW) wise.

      • Smerch on 26/05/2013 - 19:18

        I found some theoretical info on them:

        1. Toyota Hiace 3.0 diesel auto Fuel Consumption 8 L / 100 km Max Power 100kW @ 3400 RPM
        2. Hyundai iLoad 2.5 diesel auto Fuel Consumption 8.8 L / 100 km Max Power 125kW @ 3800 RPM
        3. Reno Traffic 2.0 diesel auto Fuel Consumption 8 L / 100 km Max Power 85kW @ 3500 RPM

        Anyone with real experience please comment!

        • chrisburnett on 27/05/2013 - 08:06
          +1

          The Renault will depreciate like crazy. The upside is my step father got a 4 year old one that looked like new and it was $15,000 drive away. Saves lots and is super comfortable.

          I hope you make a heap with deliveries. Sorry I've nothing to offer on courier advice. I've never seen a happy courier though. Maybe they work them hard for no money.

        • Smerch on 27/05/2013 - 17:58

          Thank you mate for the info

  • hahaboy on 26/05/2013 - 19:11

    How does one become a delivery driver? Serious question.

    Are you setting up a new service? or joining an existing business model/franchise?

    • Smerch on 26/05/2013 - 19:21

      I am still not sure if I go this road. I found there are companies that constantly hiring drivers and the main requirement is that you have to have your own van or money to buy one.

      http://www.mailcall.com.au/drivers.php or http://www.yellowexpress.com.au/careers.aspx

      • tonyjzx on 26/05/2013 - 20:29
        +2

        be wary about spending a shitload of money on this

        if you look around you'll find couriers is a very tough business with companies like mail call promising the earth but sending you to the ends of the earth for the real crappy deliveries

        • May4th on 26/05/2013 - 20:34
          +3

          yes, beware of spending 20-30k to buy franchise businesses. courier companies like fastway have a terrible enterprise culture and treat their drivers like crap. definitely do a lot of ground research and talk to a few drivers before you commit

        • Smerch on 26/05/2013 - 21:03

          Yeah I am hoping to find some real drivers here.
          I did not speak with any companies so I do not know about franchise part. I thought you get a van and they give you a contract or sub-contract like Auspost does.
          Thank you for bringing this up.

        • chrisburnett on 27/05/2013 - 08:08

          I get along really well with the AusPost courier that delivers my many parcels. I'll ask her when she stops by in the next day.

        • chrisburnett on 27/05/2013 - 17:46
          +2

          Spoke to nice post lady. She's a sub-contracter and said she's on a salary and it's enough. People that have the contract make very good money at around $1000 a day but long day and hard work. Around $2 a delivery. Had two people working that one.

          Australia Post Messenger (I think that's right) courier service get around double at $4 a delivery and that's better.

          Some places as a sub pay per parcel with no super. Sounds hard to make a buck that way.

          Good luck with it and I hope it goes well. Not a massive investment to start up and if it doesn't work out, just sell the can and walk away. Or start sleeping in it and save on rent.

        • Smerch on 27/05/2013 - 18:00

          Hehehe well said was thinking the same way!

        • MarkB4 on 27/05/2013 - 18:46
          +1

          You work your ass off just to stand still. It's how most transport co's gear their rates, to keep you hungry. I wouldn't do it again even if I was young enough. Had a truck doing taxi work and I know the boss tried to keep me in work but I might as well have been driving someone elses machine for all the money I made - not worth the effort IMO, and my experience.

        • Smerch on 27/05/2013 - 20:17

          Thank you for sharing! I still need to find out about the costs like insurance and other compulsory spending.

        • MarkB4 on 27/05/2013 - 20:24
          +1

          For info talk to the next courier you see. They are usually good guys. And unless they have a master franchise they will probably give you the picture instead of the spiel.

          And FYI, the Toyota Hiace is probably the most regarded for the work, often doing 500,000 klicks without major issue, and with resale value. TD would be best for fuel economy and resellability.

        • Smerch on 27/05/2013 - 21:09

          Thanks mate! Looking at the prices online Hiace looks pretty good in terms of value over time.

  • warwick108 on 26/05/2013 - 20:34
    -1

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  • one man clan on 27/05/2013 - 10:29

    Being a courier driver is a terrible profession. Most of them have a short career because of back injuries.

    I'm very surprised anyone would consider paying 30k to get into it - there must be other jobs available to you where you don't have to put down a massive investment to get work.

    • Smerch on 27/05/2013 - 18:03

      Yeah physical work is fine by me and I only want to invest in the car. Then use it for work and write off on taxes and then use it to travel around Australia or sell it.

  • leeroys_dad on 27/05/2013 - 11:32

    smerch, why van? why not a nissan patrol or other 4wd? older ones e.g. 1995 are reliable and very spacious. i have a 1995 patrol and i've taken the dicky seats out and there is so much room. it cost me $10k a few years back

    • Smerch on 27/05/2013 - 18:05

      Hey I would love to get a double cab ute but I think they will not give me a contract. I guess bulky packages take room, it is not always about payload but dimensions.

  • lameturd on 27/05/2013 - 17:16

    1991 Honda Prelude

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xCg6P07aVA

  • Smerch on 27/05/2013 - 18:10

    It is sad that Ford Transit does not come with auto. I heard some positive feedback about that car.

  • MarkB4 on 27/05/2013 - 18:48

    I've got a transit 6spd manual turbo diesel to fit-out for some excursions to the bush (cheaper than my car to run) and it is smick but parts are too expensive (for sale now) on a pension.

    Has anyone tried http://www.greatwallmotors.com.au/ ???

    • Smerch on 27/05/2013 - 20:22

      Yeah but I never liked manual and if it is auto my wife can drive it. No idea about Great wall brand and they do not have vans here yet.

  • onlyletters on 27/05/2013 - 21:55

    The money you save on the Hyundai you will put on repairs/towing the Hyundai. Buy a car that is known for reliability and that will holds its re-sale value (not like you'd want to sell it).

    If you can get one as diesel then better for you because you'll save $$ on fuel, shop around if your going to buy new, there is a website that you request what new car you want and then dealers offer their cheapest price, im sure if you do a search you'll find it.

    • Smerch on 28/05/2013 - 18:19

      Yeah I know old Hyundais are pretty bad but this is a new model(3 years old) and it holds its value too if you check carsales or auctions. Yeah I am constantly checking for a better option. I am thinking to get Hyundai iLoad diesel auto or Toyota Hiace diesel auto about 2010 with around 50k-100k kms for around $20k.

      • MarkB4 on 28/05/2013 - 18:35

        Get the Toyota, proven by use in the business. It's what you will see most couriers use. But Hyundai are cheaper, I think.

  • [Deactivated] on 28/05/2013 - 18:41
    +1

    You should be quoting torque nM not kW. Diesel is used for trucks vans etc. Due to its pulling power or power under load. Kilowatts is damn near useless for deciding on what van or truck you want.

    • Smerch on 28/05/2013 - 21:21

      Thank you, I added nM but I do not really understand how it works. Different rpms thus different gear thus different state of engine give different torque(in nM). So I think these values are not that useful in theory unless shown on practice. On the other hand, power(in kW) is power no matter where, when and from.

      • Smerch on 28/05/2013 - 21:27

        Yeah engine's power is connected to its rpms too…

  • MarkB4 on 28/05/2013 - 22:20

    Just get what everyone else uses, take the stress out of it.

  • [Deactivated] on 29/05/2013 - 11:07
    +1

    You should also look at how much you can fit on/in each car in terms of what you want to deliver. If I'm doing a daily run I would want to make sure I have the maximum capacity so I can get more bang for my buck

    • Smerch on 29/05/2013 - 17:35

      True that! Hyundai is wider and has a 30mm more ground clearance. Although now I want to buy new Hiace on finance.

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